To each his own. BudfoxJuly 7, 2016 in Leica M (Type 240 / 262). I have one for the M240 and dont use it that much but at times it helps with critical focus. I turned off automatic review and theres no chimping, and with an ISO dial I dont even need to use any buttons throughout a shoot. The resolution is given as a compound value, comprised of horizontal and vertical pixels. without having to transfer the images to the computer first. By People get all gnarled up about refresh rates and such, but the M240s EVF is fine for its limited uses.Focus Peaking. We case our eye over the options costing more than $2500 but less than $4000, to find the best all-rounder. Dont get me wrong Hamish, if I didnt have to give the Taxman an additional sum equal to a Leica M10 last Spring, Id have been tempted! The build quality of the M 262 is impeccable. With ACR, my standard daylight setting for the M240 is 5300/10, while with the M262, it is 5000/0, both with embedded profile. Material choices as well as the overall fit and finish are second to none. I should say though, this is probably because none of my other digital cameras work like this if this was my only digital camera, I would likely have gotten used to a lot quicker. This isnt me highlighting something bad though, it makes no difference to anything really. I've always wanted a Leica and was thinking of picking up a used M262 or M240 to replace my Fuji. (Free 3-day trial)Subscribe here. By You cannot paste images directly. It unites decades of experience in rangefinder technology with groundbreaking digital technologies: It features a completely newly developed high-resolution full-format CMOS sensor that, in combination with its high-performance processor and the legendary M-Lenses; delivers outstanding . All photographs and text appearing on 35mmc.com are the exclusive property of the named author (except where stated otherwise) and are protected by copyright. You'd be wise to buy the best/latest digital body you can afford and leave a healthy budget for the best/most lenses possible. Thank you for pointing me to that review. Hi everyone. Thankfully with the M10 they've returned to the old system. My guess is that many of the Leica purists won't be bothered at all by this decision. I really have found it quite distracting to have an image preview thats different to what Im used to, especially since its both inaccurate and in a way thats unappealing to my tastes. I didn't do any critical tests, but I feel the M262 may have around one stop advantage at high iso. I love the M240, didn't feel to switch to the M10. An electronic viewfinder (EVF) with a higher resolution provides a sharper image, producing a view comparable in quality with the one displayed on an optical viewfinder. Thanks a lot for your replies. I dont need such features on my Leica rangefinders these are real cameras that I use properly, I dont need live-view with my real cameras! Great Image quality (warmer than M-10, looks more like M-9 CCD image rendering). Compared to when I shot with any other camera system, my gut feeling is I come away with fewer shotsless spray and pray . The M10 has the new ISO wheel on the top left. A few more differences - Leica M10 vs Leica M240. The device is protected with extra seals to prevent failures caused by dust, raindrops, and water splashes. I did the same thing Hamish, never having handled the M10. In fact, apart from INFO button/screen which reports battery and SD card information, and the play and delete buttons, the ISO button and the menu it brings up is really the only part of the screen-based interface I use. We were using the Sony cameras for video, so as I often do, I was shooting stills with the Leica. Funny thing that while the M10 launched, I ordered one early 2017 thinking this may be the M I waited for. The latter requires the lens to have 6-bit coding or manual setting of the lens in the main menu. It is great way to capture things like the setting sun, or clouds moving across the sky. Thanks for the insights Louis! I like to do a lot of still lifeand some close-up and macro work. Let's try another side by side Leica Monochrom - 50 Lux - click for larger and crop - Leica M 240 - click for larger. This can make the process of rationalising an upgrade quite difficult, though in my experience once the upgrade is made, it does tend to make a bit more sense. Without even thinking about it, I started using the live-view. If zinc is your preference the M6 is your baby. Privacy policy. Great write up! Thanks!These new Nikons look fairly amazing I do wish theyd been quicker to market though!M10 review I guess it depends on how much it inspires a post out of me its the first new Leica Digital camera Ive ever bought, and with it being new/current, I might try and squeeze something out sooner rather than later. It leaves me with no desire whatsoever to upgrade at all and will be my sole digital camera for hopefully many years to come. I'm looking into both as well and leaning towards the 262 because I have no use for video with this purchase and I love the shutter. With the wrong card, the wait before the shutter is again available is bad. Usability is great (with some of the limitations you mentioned), and image quality of the 262 is certainly superb, and the main reason (aside from usability and a good sensor), at least for me, the Leica M glass, is a topic somebody else can cover much better than I can. Without a magnifier piececomfortable view is 50-35mm. Another M10 fetish. For example, I am in a coffee shop with the camera sitting on a Manfrotto table top tripod. Im not trying to justify myself I certainly wouldnt to trolls the point is simply that I spend my money on something I enjoy. I find it to be a useful feature at times. Which despite it feeling like something that would really suit me as someone who prefers to operate without the need for any sort of menu driven interface on their cameras was still a fairly small feature for quite a lot more cash!if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'35mmc_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_10',180,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-35mmc_com-medrectangle-3-0'); As such I bought an M262 and fairly happily got on with shooting it for the best part of a year. For the M240, forget it. Theres been a couple of times when Ive picked the camera up one after using it in lower light and ended up shooting a whole loads of frames at a high ISO before twigging that the chosen shutter speed seems too high. With the M9, just going out for a day I would take two batteries. Can you let me know where you heard that the sensor uses different technology? Im not sure about the iso dial though, I feel like thats a feature that would really suit me. M-D, M-P, M240 and M262 photos. . Im not loaded, but I do focus almost all my disposable income on this. Press and hold, select ISO, and release to lock in the setting. I am aware many own the Monochrom and love it to death. Sometimes, colours from M262 can be a bit more saturated than from M240, but as I use them only in recording DNG, post work can do what I want. Of course they can, but you have them. The M240 is a great camera that produces gorgeous images but you are undoubtedly going to love the M10. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. After more than a month of use it is apparent the M 262 Image quality is better than that of the M-240 (which i have used since it became available). Yes, the M240s menu is busier, but once I have the camera set up to my liking I dont really venture into the menu often. The image on viewfinder of that camera is very warm yet when the images are loaded onto the computer they are less so. I have a X113 and an M262. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. After the M11 released though, used prices of the M10 dropped and I decided to get one. Ah yes, sorry, of course the screen is actually useful! Clear editor. For more articles on 35mmc about the subject matter discussed here, please click one of the following tag links: Contribute to 35mmc for an Ad-Free Experience. I have preview turned off too and use it like I do my M6. Theres very little real difference between the two cameras so it really depends on what you can find to suit your budget - I certainly wouldnt hold out for one if you can find the other in decent condition. They also give the image sensor a better probability in identifying the right area of the scene to focus on in more automatic modes. Never came to me idea to compare them side by side, sorry. Early M3 models featured a double-stroke lever, meaning it required two strokes to advance to the next frame of film and cock the shutter. All our Contributors have an ad-free experience for life.Sign uphere. These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both the speed and focus to capture fast action and offer professional-level image quality. With less than full coverage, you may have to crop your photos afterward to get them looking perfect. I admit, Im a bit of a snob with stills cameras. Weight is certainly a thing though! By continuing to browse our site, you agree to our use of cookies. The controls are easy to change while the camera is at your eye. Having run the gamut of all the Ms, Ive settled on these two as my main M system and I suggest to others who cant shake the M bug to do something similar. The Leica M [typ 240] (or M240 for short) was the first Leica to adopt the odd naming convention that broke away from the M# convention of yore. When moving from M9 to M262 Id not put too much thought into how much difference this would make to me, in practice though, this small change in interface makes a big difference to how the camera feels. When using the M10 in aperture priority mode I dial the EV down to -0.7. I drive a 15 year old car for example, dont buy clothes often, have one pair of shoes, etc. Although I know right from the gate that my M-P Typ 240 wont get as much use as my new heart winning M9-P, it will however keep me from having that inevitable internal debate of owning just one old or new M body. I am sure you have seen the funny Video of Kai Wong:https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Wong+Laica+M+262, I have indeed, thanks, I shall take another look its been a while!Sounds like youve made a good choice!I have recently picked up a TL to use along side the forthcoming M10 they both use the same Visoflex, Im going to take the charitable route here but Pera Detlics comment may be interpreted as Leicas are expensive and Pera doesnt have the matching skill set to justify buying one.I also feel that way. In the setup menu, the most used setting is white balance. If you like aluminium choose the M262, if you prefer brass go for the M240. I remember when live-view first started appearing on interchangeable lens digital cameras. Focusing that close without rangefinder coupling is of course quite difficult unless you have live-view. 35mmc is a blog authored, edited and published by Hamish Gill featuring daily articles submitted by readers. It was mentioned in LFI first issue of 2016. The camera becomes entirely unresponsive. Paste as plain text instead, Ive had it for years and purchased it when M8s were at their lowest prices. This really piqued my interest. Using an M this way does not give me the same fundamental photography pleasure as the M8 or M-9P do, but, what it does give me is the ability to scratch the inevitable itch that eventually comes to every M8/9/ME user the desire to use their M for other tasks theirs just cannot do (macro work, adapting other lenses for example). The color profile is quite different too, with more electric blues and purer reds. Leica M Typ 240. This screen has very good focus peaking and an exposure waveform overlay that I find invaluable! Some cards are woefully slow. I have looked into all three cameras and all seem like perfectly great cameras . I think it is a very cool and stripped down digital M camera that I purchased used to compliment my M3 (I use the M3 with a 50mm and 90mm lens). This has become a bit of a trend now, I buy a digital Leica, shoot with it for a while, decide to sell it for one reason or another, and then scramble to write about it in the final few days of owning it. With regards to minimizing my digital camera gear, my thinking was simple. And so I had to do a paradoxical thing. This can be used to capture moving objects using a fast shutter speed, or to take images in low light without using a flash. A blessing in some ways, though frustratingly its taken the edge off a feature Ive enjoyed more than I expected to. I remember initially thinking that the colours coming out of the M10 files seemed thin when compared to those of the M240 and the photos in your review of the M262 have reminded me of that. The following dropbox link to a small group of images hopefully illustrate these subtle but apparent colour densities. A series of photographs taken from the same position over a long period is joined together to create a short video. I think everyone gave great suggestions, I went with a new 262, love the shutter and simplicity compared to the 240. This was a heretical change from earlier Leicas. I decided that I wanted to keep the one camera that can do close to everything I need in the digital world (and for me, this includes personal and occasional professional work, mostly product still photography, but also videography). Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. ins.style.display='block';ins.style.minWidth=container.attributes.ezaw.value+'px';ins.style.width='100%';ins.style.height=container.attributes.ezah.value+'px';container.appendChild(ins);(adsbygoogle=window.adsbygoogle||[]).push({});window.ezoSTPixelAdd(slotId,'stat_source_id',44);window.ezoSTPixelAdd(slotId,'adsensetype',1);var lo=new MutationObserver(window.ezaslEvent);lo.observe(document.getElementById(slotId+'-asloaded'),{attributes:true}); The fact is, I really like them as cameras, but largely speaking they just function for me. ), and Im now looking to part with the Leica M240 and put the money back into my business (where I borrowed it from). Last thursday I thought for a few moments about selling my complete gear because of the new Q2, but then I thought about my beloved Summicron 90 from 1973 and my Tele Elmar 135 from 1963 and my Summilux 50 from 2017 and then I said to me: No!, I cannot sell them, I am not a fan of 28 mm.The only tiny shortcoming is for me the limitation of the maximum shutter speed (60 sec) and sometimes I miss an autofocus. Im not going to go into details here to be honest. That said, even in the short time Ive owned a Leica M240, its confused me with what seems like an obvious short coming, changed my mind about one feature that I had written of as pretty much useless to me, proved that another one of its highlight features is indeed something I have no interest in, and perhaps unfortunately (since I cant afford one) left me with big a chunk of Leica M10 GAS. There are a lot of photo/video cameras that have found a role as B-cameras on professional film productions or even A-cameras for amateur and independent productions. Youve often been a voice of reason in my ear on this website, John. The Leica M-D (Typ 262) ($5,995) is the camera for photographers who wish that digital didn't happen. . As I said at the end of that post, I then found myself in with a big chuck of the dreaded GAS. And the EVF is a very helpful feature sometime. For more articles on 35mmc about the subject matter discussed here, please click one of the following tag links: Contribute to 35mmc for an Ad-Free Experience. Its just become a reason not to use the screen as much as I might have. "It has the same image quality as the Leica M 240" was the . Mostly because I wanted to shoot below 0.7m and Id have to use Live View for that. It was that feeling that having less kit would do me good This became the excuse I needed to change up to the M10. The maximum resolution available for videos shot with the main camera. I know youre right, I often talk about the bullshit involved in the upgrade path but it has an iso dial! It is capable of shooting stills in a lossless compressed raw format. Unsurprisingly, the camera never really made a breakthrough in the video world so perhaps Leica decided it wasn't worth keeping it. So the M262 is going to stay, and the Leica M240 go. Ive spent the last month or so shooting with a Leica M [typ 240]. I was wrong! I would say a hidden gem at 2/3 of the price for a used M-10. Everything is very tactile. The Leica M10 's physical controls are logical, simple, and offer the right amount of resistance. M-D, M-P, M240 and M262 photos. I have a Fuji X100f and stripped down the OVF/EVF data and shoot in manual with manual focus only to give it a M2 feel. Unfortunately, my business partner has also vetoed the idea of me selling both M240 and M262 to buy an M10. Or pictures are completely similar? Image quality is exceptionally good across the native ISO range, the weight has been decreased substantially, and . All content, design, and layout are Copyright 19982023 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved. This page contains all hands-on, detailed Camera Reviews that have been published at Photography Life. Content contributor - become a part of the worlds biggest film and alternative photography community blog. If not, moderators please delete this post. It is a quick overview and specs comparisonLeica M-E Typ 240 vs Leica M typ 262====="Subscribe and Share" for more Videosht. Indeed, I am an m10 owner who misses my m9. I am seeing a few posts by M262 / M-D owners stating that there is slightly improved image quality and even less banding at higher ISOs on the M262 series cameras. I have used many rangefinders, a Leica M8, M9 (and its variants M-E/M9P/MM), M262, M240P and of course most recently the M-D 262. But, as someone who shoots, buys and sells a lot of different lenses, the bigger screen would definitely offer me an advantage Id be able to take photos and check lenses were calibrated properly etc. Damn digital cameras I can control film camera GAS quite well these days, but these digital buggers still get me! 20% better video recording quality (main camera), Has continuous autofocus when recording movies, has continuous autofocus when recording movies. November 7, 2013 December 8, 2013 Peter . For me and my tastes though, the Leica M262 does feel like an advancement from the M240. It only having felt right once in 6 months felt wrong. Pera I think you might be giving a little to much benefit of the doubt there . I cant tell you how relieved I was about this I know that probably sounds daft, but my Leica rangefinders are default cameras that I rely on when I want to shoot without any thought to the camera. I would have bought a 90 Macro lens if I had live view on the camera even though Ive already got a Nikon with 105 Macro. I didnt have the energy to get into the subtleties of all that here though, LV is useful even if the screen does not move. RE: the ISO issue. Ultimately I hope that the dial on the M10 will give me a greater sense of being in control and connected to the ISO settings Im using. After weeks with a production Fujifilm X-T5, Chris and Jordan have some final thoughts. Don't be one of those people who blows their budget on a body and can barely afford to buy a lens or two. The sensor is not the same, by the way. As cboy pointed out above, that may limit lens choice. I am looking to get into the Leica M systemhave been on various of the Leica Fora, discussing the merits of an M9 / M9P. The model omits the Typ 240's live view and video capabilities, and has a much simpler menu structure and one-button access to . Whats the best camera for around $2000? A simple exterior is my kind of camera- adverts belong on billboards, not on cameras. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Plus it's lighter. I am primarily a Nikon digital and film shooter, and my quest for minimalism and the fact that I already own a Nikon Z6 mirrorless camera were the major reasons to sell the digital Leica 262. A larger sensor will capture more light, which results in improved low-light performance, dynamic range, and general image quality. The shutter and cocking mechanism are much quieter than in the earlier and higher-priced M Typ 240, and allow two frames per second to be recorded in single shot mode. It has a better screen, live-view, no video and even has a ISO dial (like you might find on a Fuji). Find out more about 35mmc here. by Charles Higham, https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Wong+Laica+M+262, https://www.35mmc.com/14/10/2017/fuji-x100f-fuji-lost-sight-elegant-original-concept/, A Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 ZM Distagon Review - An Optical Wonder! They didn't say it's a different sensor, they said different technology. I think the sensor is the same, only the signal processing is different because there is no LV. The M240 feels, well, fuller. (they really have me suckered in dont they?!). That said, the real joy is in how little even the two screens of options in the main menu need to be used. It was designed and released after the M240 to offer an option to photographers who didn't need the bells and whistles the M240 had to offer. Quality over quantity. Otherwise, the two cameras are similar since the 262 is really just a pared-down version of the 240 and if its mainly the rangefinder experience that you are after then you cant go wrong with either. It's small, light, cheap and extremely wide but is it any good? The resulting image will have less quality than when staying within the native ISO range, but it can be useful in certain situations. - Leica M 262 & Voigtlnder 50/1.2. Leica M262 - "A Leica M240 in a Leica M9 body" The Leica M 262 that Leica Camera AG surprisingly introduced November 2015 is basically a Leica M 240 in a Leica M9 body. Ive had it for a month now. My first surprise was as any Leica M240 user would likely tell you just how familiar it felt. A phase-detection autofocus system is faster than a contrast detection autofocus system. The EOS R6 II arrives in one of the most competitive parts of the market, facing off against some very capable competition. I like Roger a lot hes written for this site before, and we chatted a fair bit around the time. The firmware adds 6-bit code support and correction profiles for new lenses . Good thing, I don't need to upgrade further, as those are plenty enough for many years to come. Oddly though, handling the Leica M262 there is the slightest sense that somethings missing when comparing it to its fuller-featured sibling, the M240. I currently have a q which is a lot of fun but I'm more interested in a rangefinder at this point. My budget is c. 3,000 for the camera and lens. Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) A m262 is limited to the lens choice as it rangefinder view only. To a degree, I can see their point too. As I don't need money selling them "cheap", I'm happy to keep them all for what they are, using each one equally. I just dont shoot it at that high ISO for it to be a problem, and often wonder what on earth people are doing with their cameras to need the sorts of high ISOs that get spoken about it reviews. In short, I generally find myself not needing to tweak the colours at all from the M262, which is something I quite appreciate. A M262 is a friendly camera. Clear editor. If you intend to use lenses wider than 28mm or longer than 135mm Liveview and EVF are very useful, also macro photography is much easier (essential with the new 90mm macro lens and macro adapter) or if you need video. It was the third major iteration of colour digital Leica M rangefinder, and the first to use a CMOS type sensor. Read full post here: Bear in mind I have not held or shot an M10, my information comes from extensive reading of user experiences. Hey all, I've owned an M6 for several years and in the next few months will be unloading a few of my higher-end film cameras to (downsize and) purchase a digital Leica to compliment my M6. Finally, a digital camera that truly feels like a good old analog Leica. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'35mmc_com-banner-1','ezslot_12',185,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-35mmc_com-banner-1-0'); As it turned out, I would find more advantages with the Leica M262 when I got it. I took the M240 because it offeres live view. I so rarely hit the menu button on this camera, it practically doesnt need to be there for my purposes, and Id imagine most users find the same. You shouldnt be so hard on yourself, Pera. There are two ways to experience 35mmc without the adverts: Paid Subscription - 2.99 per month and youll never see an advert again! Keep up the good words! Unfortunately, this isnt something thats fixed by the M10 either though I am definitely looking forward to how much the M10 improves manual ISO control for me. The settings I use (format and manual or auto lens designation) pop up first on the main menu and with 2 clicks both actions are completed. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'35mmc_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_17',188,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-35mmc_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0'); Overall, these changes made the move from the M9 to M262 feel greater than the sum of their parts. The M262 was not available when I bought my my M240 but if I was buying now I would still go for the M240. I think, at least, Ive not tried one either . For a start, the battery in the M262 was a lot bigger than that in the M9. Is the 262 different in this regard? But the M9 for me has so many characteristics, beyond specs, iso performance or touchscreen blah blah blah. Flip-out screens can be useful for tricky shots. Its based on the body of the M240, but as Ive said, when it was released it was pitched as a more affordable stripped-back camera with less features. Thank you for it. Afternoon all and best wishes for a happy 2021! 3200-10,000 (I find this to be really handy for indoor family photos, which is essentially the only time I need high ISOs) the larger and brighter viewfinder the size (yes, one can really feel a difference) overall operational responsiveness to a much lesser degree: fewer buttons on the back of the camera, smaller red dot, more matte black finish. M262 is simple M240 less some features not necessary to still picture but in M240, those features can be ignored. After a few weeks of using the new Leica M262 I posted a review along with a few videos. Lastly, its kind of neat that these two are sort of a match- but different enough to stand out on my desk when I go to grab one for a shoot. Not because its a bad camera, quite the opposite; its a fantastic camera, I just find there to be so little to report or to get overly excited about. Versus uses cookies to improve your experience on the site. I wont go into too much more detail now, but for saying that unlike the M240 and M262 that Ive otherwise used since the M9, the Leica M10-P really feels like it has []. A raw image file contains minimally processed data from the image sensor.
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