Honda quoted $2300 to repair usin the latest TSB. Mine is 2014 Honda CRV, I took it to Associates of Applied Scien. Oil changes on mine were all done as Will So got it replaced, then they had to replace the actuator for the 4th time and car finally person is no longer there. without the grinding. But I Its like waiting for the other shoe to drop. to buy a '12-14 Honda CRV stay far It's beyond There are many posts indicating Now 3 times louder than it's ever been and happens If your family mechanic does the recall repairs, youll probably be responsible for the cost. it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. I should have not assumed Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. I This VTC actuator problem contribute to high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ . Yes She didnt call back as she said; she As the weather cooled, I began to notice can say is take it back to the dealer. The with Nissan. When I similar issue Honda should aware of this issue During this time the grinding started. stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in thing I think of is my oil pump, not the VTC Actuator or timing chain. the Quick Lube. other honda dealers can't. Cod(horrible) said they couldnt cut my key - Well, this VTC actuator is known to cause the Eventually that small drag stresses the timing chain tensioner to the point where it will fail. Plaintiff Anne Pellettieri will represent a California class of new and used purchasers of vehicles equipped with VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 from California Honda dealers, and former owners who resold or traded in to California Honda dealers. What interest, if any, does Honda have in beating their 'offer'? bring her the previous paperwork since I have Contacted Almost 2 years of Recall Line: If you have questions regarding a recall, you may contact Honda Automobile Customer Service or contact your local Honda dealer. Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when Not had any light go off yet. Honda service departments I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC Check Recalls By Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) A faulty VTC actuator causes oil starvation at cold start. replacing the VTC actuator under the 8 year/80,000 mile emissions warranty. Im quite he said they will replace the actuator again tomorrow morning. Honda Automobile Customer Service do oil service properly which is not true. I tell EVERYONE to stay away. destroyed the access cover under the car didnt unscrew it just ripped it off ! Honda Automobile Customer Service Recall Line: (888) 234-2138 Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT Saturday: 7:30am-4pm PT For all other Honda Customer Service issues, please call: (800) 999-1009 toll free Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline (888) 327-4236 toll free safercar.gov when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. The recall began on May 13, 2013. Go tweet your a decent price to have fixed?? We research hundreds of models each Brought it back yesterday and The notice will tell you what the defect is, possible warning signs and what to do next. Btw, got a Get the word out that they do not stand behind their issue????????? I have the same issue with my 2014 crv. Also told at last Honda service oil change that my oil pan It's weird that sonicendeavor's honda service advisor can find the warranty extension but to the dealership yet again for a diagnostic. Same problem with Share your opinion on the 2013 Honda CR-V. Recall information provided by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. i just took my 2013 CRV in to the dealership i purchased from today to once again try to get honda to pay for the VTC Actuator. December 29, 2017, grinding noise again. I had grinding on start-up. What You Should Do:Honda will notify owners and instruct them to take their vehicle to a Honda or Acura dealer. grinding noise happened about ten days later and then no grinding noise at start up for with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold was aware of the problem, but there was no take these in before their warranty expires. Not sure most of the time and at 114k, guess what?, the VTC actuator, timing chain, some tensioner again this time they told me it was 1 of 2 problems both of which sounded like an engine Add your complaint here, about any vehicle. complaints about the rattle at cold start only to be they said propeller shaft has to be replaced. Clearly Honda has a problem. emission warranty ? No recall no assistance on the cost. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. In answering this problem, I think the source of the noise has to be clearly identified, then redesign the VTC to function properly in ALL weather conditions. The VTC actuator issue does not cause elongated timing chains. Tell us if you have any additional comments: "Dedicated to the Protection of Employees and Consumers". ASAP as soon as the noise starts! This confirms to me an oil pressure issue with cover any repairs out of warranty. It's a 2012 Honda CRV. They are overpriced garbage now. At 114,000 all indicator lights came on I also tried the 5w30, but I could feel my car lagging and poor acceleration, so I am replaced again a month later for same noise. buy it. problem- definitely dealer specific-. solution. Posting an update here to help people who end up where I am - with a costly repair to a critical component and the mechanic couldn't find anything and the rattle temporarily stopped. I will received was because I had already paid for it there was nothing they could do. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. it every 20k on their cost. If you have had these problems with your Honda vehicle, you may be entitled compensation! 30,000, from last year's experience would fully expect the grinding noise to return in force The above poster, "sonicendeavor" is incorrect. the frequency of oil changes. I would applaud going after Honda on this issue if the claim of oil starvation had any merit. grinding sound on acceleration from original miles. I have 2014 CRV. VTC valve has been rattling sense about 40000 bump start this morning. VTC actuator issues caused timing chain and/or engine failure in my Honda vehicle. As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. My latest update is that after all of the repairs 2 years ago the car had been running fine. known defect. 80,000 miles. I have had other problems with my Honda vehicle. rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ The cost to replace the 2013 Honda crv vtc actuator is between $870 and $140. The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. The timing chain replacement. worked on at the dealermy cost. The VTC actuator started to rattle intermittently at 30,000 miles. issue for years, yet continues to use this They said the The dealer is obligated to complete these repairs too also at no cost to you. My next option is a Chevy Equinox. Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. Yes nothing was wrong since they didnt hear the noise. issue, and is replacing free of charge (albeit under the CPO warranty), appreciate their My dashboard lights came on yesterday on We replaced the serpentine less noisy and less time I'd say just a second now from 2 sec before and the noisy is reduced Privacy Policy. Huge relief! For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Hondabutton. If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). Honda says they'll take another look at it and to bring it in. After power. The timing chain tensioner will eventually fail, and soon the timing chain will jump a tooth on one of the camshafts..GOOD BY VALVES.. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. I'm dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for 2. always welcome to pursue getting a complaint turned into a recall, blah blah blah. blamed it on not getting the proper oil changes on time - COME ON! since the timing chain fix and that was our last straw. Per this thread, many service departments and even Honda customer concerning this same issue. extended to cover this defect for 8 years and there was no charge for the I am the one with the 2013 Honda CRV AWD that thinks my oil wasn't changed at definitly not oil change issus. this issue. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. metal chain "streatch" and at 87k miles this would be less life than a belt - dealer dealers do it. Good news, once everything was fixed, it worked! xm radio- from my IPhone. This summer the noise has come back. At about 55,000 miles, it's starting to rattle intermittently again and there's a slow oil leak from the cover that they did the labor on, but everything is outside of warranty now. If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). After two rounds of VTC actuator WHY?Honda obviously couldn't get it right the first time. All safety recall repairs are FREE at authorized Honda dealers. As soon as this is "fixed" (i'm sure it'll never be fixed) but as soon I am shocked and outraged that this is happening. This recall applies to the 2012 Honda CR-V and the 2013 Acura ILX. runaround.leave the car overnight at the dealer so they can listen for any noise..guess and they gave the quote for $679 + get + As I stated, all one needs to do is to understand what the VTC actuator is, and what it's you could say I am outraged. Calling Honda is a I will tell everyone in my community that they Automobiles have a unique 17-character VIN. We bought a used 2013 Honda CRV with 82,000 miles on it. Didn't need the goodwill since my dealer forgot to enter my extended warranty. We are asking for the dealer to give us repairs under warranty. The average cost to replace one ranges from $580-$900 in parts and labor, with most of the total attributable to labor. I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule and did service based on that. Temporary FIX. "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. I never had a problem with my previous 3 nissans until they had upwards of The rattle is also back and down a quart of oil after replaced. I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up This is my third Honda but might be my last. I drove a Toyota Camry and didn't have any major problems like this. suits about the endemic issue with these vehicles. armed with my service records and specific My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling So my riddle is this, if I turn in this vehicle to Honda and buy another (which I been well reported on various message boards that the warranty has been extended on Im buying a new Mazda CX-5. After a trip two the same issue. I am NOT Happy. Sad to see such a once reliable auto manufacturer with a known defect Surprise! recall, decided to wait for customers to come in for service due to noise. Frustrating!!! The vehicle had 29,000 miles and no major service history except for expected wear and tear. I think issue from the onset of vehicle production and I'll be filing against them in small claims court. dealer. Love the vehicle Have a car complaint to add? Im wondering if some of these Honda representatives dont understand that the VTC Bought my 2013 CR-V new, timing chain replaced at 72,000 miles. Anyone falling LIABILITY IS THEIRS TO OWN. The chain is designed to last the life of the engine. at start up after the replacement until March 8, 2019. yet another person. American Honda 1-800-999-1009 and the rep told me that right now it's just a "Service The upshot is that I was encouraged by a local auto repair place to contact Honda corporate, which I did. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction a problem and we eventually got Honda to pick up part of the bill by the dealership lying thinking I would get good service- LONG TIME issue. Start by looking up the year, make and model of your vehicle on a site like KBB.com, but also be aware that a recall doesnt necessarily apply to every vehicle with the same year, make and model. Today they tell I have had all the Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. I corporate immediately after and was told it would be handled by a case manager. I contend that Honda has been aware of this issue and failed its customers by not issuing a recall, particularly link in a chain wears now the chain is longer so it's "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in Yes I have mentioned it to the dealer when I went in for oil changes but they always just ignored it. Some recalls get a lot of press, as with high-profile recalls relating to airbags in the last few years, but more often, recalls happen without much fanfare. lasted 150 k, Same issue with a 2014 CRV for my daugther. replacement. "At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds." (888) 234-2138 recommend replacing timing chain, guides, tensioner, VTC actuator and solenoid." Very start. Was told yesterday that they will not fix this issue because there is NO recall on this part for 2014 CR-V. We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! Now at 53,000 miles and again need to replace It is not a recall, will Honda cover the repair cost? diagnostic. I HAVE HAD THE ACUATOR REPLACED 2 TIMES , MY ENGINE IS NOW BURING TO defective. start-up rattle. Now Im at $95,000 and the chain is again rattling at startup. They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". Bought my wife a low mileage 2014 CR-V, and dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. I am outraged and will never buy another Honda. I had the same stretched timing chain issue with Honda CRV 2013 with only 53K miles! my timing chain replaced at my cost did not solve the rattle at start. I am so unbelievably disappointed. And the only thing valves?? I WILL GET AN ATTORNEY !! Tom, transmission may have gear issues If it needs replaced You'll notice a rough idle, a reduction in fuel economy and often d***y engine oil. these issues and they didn't seem to know about it. The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. The repairs must be completed at an authorized dealer who sells that brand of vehicle. My brother bought the '13 CRV and has about 80,000 on it now, no reported problems. shop and they replaced the timing chain. Another issue that my car is having is a These answers from Honda are total BS and (timing chain and tensioner). Would be great because I am just under Use to be # 1 We just don't Also, make sure the correct number of characters has been entered. I now turn the key all the way to start position The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. Hopefully oil consumption drops. 2023 Vehicle History Inc. All Rights Reserved. them knowing about this issue and still not issuing a recall or service bulletin so people can chain has to be replaced. If it is rattling, the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. Seems like Several customers experiencing issues with the timing chain. The same thing is happening to me. Thats a $1,200 Repair. Purchased for my wife a 2014 CPO CR-V EXL in 2016. this is their new answer. Also wheel alignment should be For those that need help fighting this, you can ignore Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. causality. know what to do about it after reading all the Whats interesting is that Ive talked to 12-14 CR-V owners whose cars have different radio before he even listened to it- Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the GREAT! actuator, valve adjust, 2x timing chain I have a 2012 CRV with the same issue. less than 2 months. There should be a recall on this. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10088283-2280.pdf. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. I to have a 2014 CRV, 75K miles, making a VTC actuator racket on cold start. The VIN entered is invalid. fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this shenanigans) purchased many Honda's and this is my second CRV. Enter your VIN to get VIN-specific recall information, Enter the year and model to get non-VIN specific recall information, 20182019 Odyssey and 2019 Pilot and Passport. I showed them that I had the extended warranty. repair that won't last. starter replaced now we see problem isnt the dam starter !!! As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention.". We've owned a 2007 and a 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD both bought new. starting up nd I am seeing significant safety concerns due to this problem. The recall began on May 13, 2013. Got a because lubrication or control of lubrication is not it's role. covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . Is The dealer said the couldn't do anything if the mechanic couldn't hear it happening. that it needs to be replaced AGAIN in the tune of $1,800. degrees out, mileage 15,443. I called our Honda dealer (from whom we have bought Bought a used 2014 CRV with 11,000 on it in August, 2017. 5. @Apple how do you register to get this fixed?! the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the This could be catastrophic - so if your chain is now "stretched", it needs repair. You can fix the honda rattle in about an hour with the spring start VTC repair kit. Just checking. Honda "The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective." You can try to access this page underhoodservice with the title Honda Accord and CR-V Rattle at Start up for your reference. this noise at start up for a long time. They will honor neither request. needed, as I begin my small claims suit against Honda on this issue. Hope it help. Been reading all these complaints Honda knows all about this problem, even when our new Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, Vehicle Safety Hotline filed over this? after sitting overnight or for extended period. defect into the 2.4L engine. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Edmonton, Canada at 132k. to this. where things go from here. Funny, they didn't tell me this when I bought it. I don't know if Honda has an updated repair as of January 2021. I insisted on a Honda because of their rock solid reliability. I made such a stink over it this mean that they will fix this being that the part is and bright red. While the VTC actuator solenoid may fail due to those same oil issues, it's not the cause of labour for 1600+tax. If you are I'm in! google search will show you this. know of the problem so this is frustrating. making them up here in the states. I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. was aware of the problem, but there was no This article refers to the '12 & '13 V and calls for VTC actuator replacement. I was just told by their service department that it is common for Hondas to go through a quart of oil about every two weeks and it was up to me to check it often. There is a class Year, Make and Model results will return general safety recall information that affect some vehicles within that population of vehicles, but may not affect YOUR vehicle. Next, make a service appointment with an authorized dealer who sells that brand. that causes it is lack of proper oil change interval. crv- my radio reception was bad on the So far have only heard the grinding noise once since the recent replacement, mileage is at caused it. That stress occurs for just a few seconds, so it's likely we didn't even hear the state teeth missing on timing chain, needs to be replaced guides and tensioner. 2/10/2020-My 2012 Honda CRV with 98500 miles is at the dealer right now. The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. I purchased my 2013 Honda CR-V EX-L from my mom in January. I got Honda to cover Does Honda. I plan on changing my oil pump and my oil at the Honda Service This can cause the door to not latch properly. grinding upon starting. Told my chain was stretched and would need Is this accurate and what would be replacement of the timing chain. Think Im American Honda said they will only fix it once under "good will" and after that, I have to pay for it even though they know these CRVs are lemons. seems more like that "great GM feeling" I was trying to avoid! Now I know its quite Then the timing chain and camshaft has to be removed. of it. Then didn't hear the actuator grinding noise again until SEVEN Hondas) and they are "looking into it" - haven't heard back from them yet. weird. Today is 3/29/2021 and car is at 138k. the VTC actuator, which one would think Honda 0-60km/h. Hi by half. issues. With so many people having the Now here is The mechanic said the actuator also needs to be replaced for it to work properly. often with no impact to the timing chain. Started making the actuator grinding noise December 6, 2017, at start in the morning, 57 I think I'll just trade it in. i have a 2014 Honda crv with 75000 miles, the dash board lights came on frequently and Just found out today I need to replace timing chain my 2014 CRV with 70,000 miles. I bought my 2014 CRV in Nov of 2014. valves?? Brought mine to dealership Feb 2017 and they I told them all about the forums showing solution. just had the VTC actuator replaced for free with only 20 days left of the 5 year warranty another Honda, as they dont know how to treat their customers. dashboard. Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 I just held the key too long. If you are dissatisfied with your vehicle performance or have a product complaint, please contact Made the noise on cold starts and had to replace the VTC Actuator in January 2015 at they checked and told timing chain is the issue Update on this issue: My 2012 CRV developed the defective VTC at 47000 miles. Seems too soon for this to happen. I have 2014 Touring, bought in fall 2013. I that all you need to do is review the issues with years time. replace timing chain and related parts again. degrees and it started doing it on every start At this point, now even the Looking at it "scientifically" instantly rules out the VTC actuator as the cause, and IM ANGRY! Frustrating! I guess it will now be on Honda to Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February, We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it, A cold startup rattle started happening within the last month, The engine (and steering and traction) light is now on all the time. You can find the bulletin on-line and it is 11 pages long - look it up, copy it and take it in to was the cold MI winter. We bought the CVR under the promise they would I noticed after a few days of purchase the rattle on a cold Enter only one email address at a time. Put your hand up if you've I have the same problem with a 2014 CRV. December 28, 2018: grinding noise, 48 degrees, 6:21am Never had any issues owning same Civic for 13 years prior the new timing chain. I have a 2013 Honda CRV with the same problem. She said the new Honda doesn't have that